(12-11-2014, 11:08 AM)JimmyB Wrote:(12-10-2014, 10:21 PM)mugatiya Wrote: I don't see what this achieves. So if he bowls a bouncer after lunch or after tea does that mean he has respected him more if he did it at tea?Don't agree , As I said NZ team was trying to win the game and they weren't bowling bouncers intentionally on that day out of respect, It's just a token of respect. They didn't have to do that but they felt it was important than trying hard to win the game. They mentioned that after the game.
Obviously Abbot cared about Hughes. He didn't go into the game thinking Ok I will bounce someone and kill them. An accident happened. Abbot must be internally completely cut up about it.
He paid his respects to the family and I'm sure he is in touch with them and getting their support as well. He's been through the ringer in the last couple of weeks.
No one thinks not bowling a bouncer is showing any sort of respect. IMO its showing disrespect to the game and Hughes if Abbot does not follow through on doing his job. After all Abbot is out there trying to win a game for his State. Bowling a bouncer is part of that plan.
I just dont see the logic in all this. Didnt that Israeli umpire get hit by a batsmen hitting the ball ? Is the batsmen now expected to not play that shot for 2 sessions out of respect for the umpire.
Abbot is not a murderer. He was doing his job. Something bad happened. A country grieved and now its over and the beginning of the rebuilding process. Bowling a bouncer is very much a part of that process.
Not bowling one for an arbitrary length of time in for some pseudo sense respect, is not.
I was walking about. We kept our PH banner for 4-5 days and there was no rule about how long to keep that either. We could have taken it down after a day or two but felt it's nice to keep it there till his funeral. Those are just things what your heart says you to do.
And to answer some of the questions asked from me earlier , yes I wouldn't probably drive for weeks or months if I killed someone by an accident even if it is not my fault. I personally know how hard it is to bring up a child and the struggles parents have to go through during the process so I can only imagine what a parent has to go through when their kid dies, the only people who really worries/cared about PH is their family and specially their parents , none of his mates or Australian nation will give a shit in few weeks time but his parents will mourn till they live, so I would expect people to show as much as respect if that happens. I'm saying this putting my self in their parents shoes and assuming they think like me , in other words this is what I would expect if something tragic like this happens to my kid.
Talking about arbitrary times, well there is no hard and fast rule, personally for me I wouldn't have done that. I found it disrespectful and I still believe in that. I know I have different thoughts to others here and I don't expect you guys to agree with these but I 'm not going to stop expressing my feeling either. That's my view on this and I am entitled to have my view.
So that's my final thought's on this can of worms I opened.
Fine. Still completely and utterly disagree on everything you've said.
Abbot was at the hospital. He was with PH's family. He was at the funeral. He was in the walk to the cemetery. I dont know how else he would show respect but by doing all those. If he didnt do any one of those things I'd say he was being a bit of a dick
Not bowling a bouncer to show respect IMO is just completely stupid.
NZ is before the funeral happened. (I think this is the game you are talking about, the one that was abandoned for a day) So obviously its understandable.
I cant agree with what you say about the players not giving a shit about it like his family. These are people who hang out for years on end in the same company. You can see how much it affected Clarke, Warner etc. Do you think those are fake emotions ?
Its easy to think that in today's word, in a few weeks PH will be yesterdays news. But I tend to be more optimistic and believe that team mates who are that close will always have a special bond. Specially with cricketers.
Talking about banners and all ya so we kept it until the funeral was over. Abbot did all this like a week after the funeral. So if he played a game next year does that mean he shouldnt have bowled a bouncer in the first over ?
Abbot has done all the right things. It's unfair to him be critical of him in this manner. Guy needs all the support anyone can provide him with.
If someone had an accident and killed my daughter/son I wouldn't expect them to be not doing the thing that caused them the accident. If they decide to do that, that is their personal choice. Frankly I'd be consumed by my own grief to worry about any of that.
So at the end of the day, you are using the colors of your personal choices or the ones you might make to criticize someone else's actions. IMO that is never fair.